A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman president? [with Awesome Poll!]

This is just a thought exercise, and hopefully not a place for sparring between Clinton and Obama supporters. Let's ease the tensions with some idle speculation.

While Democrats have celebrated the fact that we have an African American and a woman as our final two candidates, this does not feel so much as the beginning of a trend as an isolated incident. After Hillary Clinton, it's hard to see who the next strong woman candidate will be. After Barack Obama, it's hard to see who the next strong black candidate will be. (Of course, it's really hard to imagine anyone being president, but if you pick a random senior Democratic politician out of a hat, you're pretty likely to come up with a white male.)

It was somewhat cruel that two dreams came crashing into each other this year, and that while one will finally be realized, the other will again be deferred, as it has been for the last 232 years.

Let's suppose Obama does win the nomination, and then the general election. Who will be the first woman president, and when will she be elected? Here are my predictions, from most  likely to least likely:

(1) Hillary Clinton:

By far the strongest woman candidate in American history. Her strong performance has made her a party leader and given her the right to run again in either 2012 (if Obama loses) or 2016 (if he wins), depending on who wins this year. Many people will feel it's her turn. The punditry will hopefully be less idiotic than they were this year.

There are some concerns, though. While there wouldn't be many in 2012, she may be too old in 2016, may have to run against Obama's VP (if it's not her), and the terrain will be harder for Democrats after eight years in power. If she can show the same relentless energy she did this year, age may not be an issue.

(2) A Democrat not currently in statewide or federal office:

Sadly, I think this is more likely than (4), below. It's hard to think of any woman Democrat who has expressed presidential ambition, and who might be considered a serious candidate if she did. I hope this is in my lifetime, however, and especially in my mother's lifetime. I do think Clinton's success has accelerated the schedule, and made it easier for women to contemplate running for president.

(3) A Republican not currently in statewide or federal office:

Same as above. It's hard to think of any woman Republican who has expressed presidential ambition, and who might be considered a serious candidate if she did.

(4) A Democrat currently in statewide or federal office:

Clinton has partially broken the glass ceiling, making the idea of a woman president more imaginable than before. Others may be willing to give it a try. On the other hand, I can't think of many senior Democratic women who might run. Nancy Pelosi doesn't seem to be the type. Perhaps one of the current governors or senators, but none has ever indicated presidential ambition. It's doubtful that anyone else, male or female, will try to go from a lower position to the presidency as quickly as Obama.

(5) A Republican currently in office:

Again, Clinton has led the way. Women are reasonably well represented in the Republican Party (as opposed to minorities). Most likely short path is likely through McCain's vice presidency--perhaps Alaska governor Sarah Palin. But very few Republican women have mentioned presidential ambitions, so it's hard to think of who else it might be.


Poll
Who will be the first woman president?
Hillary Clinton
Another Democrat in office
Another Democrat not in office
A Republican in office
A Republican not in office
Someone else
As with most countries in the world's history, the United States will never have a woman leader.

Votes: 29
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (2.00 / 2)

i dont know - but i would say that if HRC fails, it is not likely that many women will want to be put through the meatgrinder of sexism and misogyny that was thrown at HRC from the media while most stood and continue to stand by silently. sad, sad days.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/7/14504 8/7823


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:30:49 AM EST

Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (2.00 / 2)

It's true. Let's list the people who have been most critical of her personally this cycle, shall we?

Chris
David
Bob
Matt
Keith
Josh
Eugene
Andrew
Markos
Maureen
Frank
Harold

I seem to have left off their last names by mistake. I'm not saying that all of them were sexist, but way too much power is given to the male-dominated punditry.

One thing I don't understand is why some Obama supporters feel a need to defend obviously derogatory comments. When David Shuster accused Clinton of pimping out Chelsea, why did so many of them rush in to defend him? It has nothing to do with Obama. Not every enemy of your opponent is a friend.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:44:20 AM EST
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Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (2.00 / 1)

"One thing I don't understand is why some Obama supporters feel a need to defend obviously derogatory comments. When David Shuster accused Clinton of pimping out Chelsea, why did so many of them rush in to defend him? It has nothing to do with Obama. Not every enemy of your opponent is a friend."

EXACTLY.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:48:48 AM EST
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Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

Hey, where in Canada are you? I love that country.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:53:13 AM EST
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Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (2.00 / 2)

If it's not Hillary, I don't think it will be anyone for a while. Maybe Sebelius, but she is the only one on the national scene that I could see having a some what legitimate chance of running, but she seems a touch bland, overall.

I think it may be a Republican as well--remember Elizabeth Dole, and how high she polled before Dubya ran? They have a real solid shot at getting a woman in office before we do. Don't get why, but who knows.

With that being said, if Obama loses, and Hillary runs again, she'll have a pretty good narrative, similar to McCain's: the comeback kid. She'll also have another massive narrative advantage in "I told you so".


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:32:05 AM EST

Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

I love Sebelius.  I know everyone thought her SotU response was dreadful, but I really liked it.  I'm hoping Obama picks her for his VP.  I think she's got the best shot at it out of all female candidates.  She's extremely close to Obama, and for their part, they really put her out there when she's campaigning for him (with highlighted videos on the website and such).

Did you see her on Larry King against Ed Rendell?  I thought she did really well and even had Ed laughing at her jokes.


by The Distillery on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:42:08 AM EST
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Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

The most likely way she can make it is as Obama's VP, I think. She'll also suffer from age questions--she's already 60.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:46:36 AM EST
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Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

She has the best shot at it but I just can't see her doing it on a national level. Maybe if she has 8 years under herself as Obama's VEEP, then we could see something.

I like her, and I certainly don't want to rule her out. She could transform herself in the public image, similar to Hillary, and prepare herself for the run at the Presidency. I remember Hillary a while back, she was never very charismatic, and not a great speaker, like I believe she is now (Obama might be a better one, but she is still pretty good in my book), so it's 100% possible.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:47:36 AM EST
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Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

Sebelius is a virtual unknown on the national stage.  two points. First and foremost there is no other woman in politics today that comes close to the experience and national name recognition that Hillary Clinton has. No other woman on the national level has the political will or the chops to make a run anytime soon.  Second, if Obama picks some other woman, Sebelius, or otherwise over Clinton for vp her supporters will riot.  There is already a risk that divide between her supporters and his could cost the dems the election.  The surest way to deepen that divided is to pic a token woman for vp over Hillary


by nyarch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:39:23 AM EST
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Sibelius a touch bland? (2.00 / 1)

Her response to the state of the union speech was vapid and sleep inducing.  I know she is well respected but the woman has zero star power from my only observation.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:49:46 AM EST
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Re: Sibelius a touch bland? (none / 0)

To be honest Bill Clinton himself bombed even worse when he had is first national speech at the '88 convention.

You can't really measure somebody by a single data point.

Still I don't think she would be a good idea as a VP candidate. Looks to much as a buy-off. "You wanted a woman? here's one"-like instead of recognizing that most people went for clinton for who she was not what. Just like people did with Obama


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:23:44 AM EST
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I know that (none / 0)

She must have more than I saw but, from what I saw, I don't see her as someone who is going to energize a lot of people.

True, Bill Clinton did bomb in 88, but his performance was marred by being ridiculously overlong and rambling.  Still, he did show more presence in that speach that Sebelius showed in hers.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:37:19 PM EST
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Even if Obama loses this year.... (2.00 / 1)

Mark Warner awaits Hillary in 2012; why else would Warner run for a Senate seat if he did not have the presidency in his sights?  The increased focus on foreign affairs may prolong the period before we see a non-Senator get into the White House.  She would get clobbered by Warner as it would be similar to running against a guy who looks and sounds like her husband, minus the baggage.

Hillary in 2008; the contrarian in me is holding out hope (after all, who was the candidate that said there was nothing false about hope).  Jay Cost is all I've got:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horsera ceblog/2008/05/not_quite_yet_1.html


by Blazers Edge on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:35:38 AM EST

Re: Even if Obama loses this year.... (none / 0)

I don't know, maybe he wants to be senator?

I wonder why he didn't run this year? I thought he had a good shot, and was ready to support him.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:48:15 AM EST
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Re: Even if Obama loses this year.... (none / 0)

She would get clobbered by Warner as it would be similar to running against a guy who looks and sounds like her husband, minus the baggage.

Nope, she beat Edwards pretty soundly. Obama won because he united the non-Clinton establishment behind him out of fear to be marginalized by the clinton establishment. After this election the non clinton wing is going to be secure enough in power not to have catapult another candidate unanimously in 2012. This duel is a one off. Warner is not going to be in the same position as Obama in popularity or backing.

Then again I doubt hillary will be able to run again. The democrats don't do do-overs.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:34:34 AM EST
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Re: Even if Obama loses this year.... (none / 0)

I don't know about the non do-overs... there is no woman in recent political history as powerful as HIllary Clinton.

Hillary will run again, if she needs to, in 2012.  Someone will have to clean up the mess that will still be there after a possible Obama/or McCain Administration.

Hillary '08!  Yes, We Believe in Her, We Believe in Us!!!


by stefystef on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:56:38 AM EST
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Re: Even if Obama loses this year.... (none / 0)

Do overs happen in the primaries. Not so much in the general.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:25:46 PM EST
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Re: Even if Obama loses this year.... (none / 0)

Outside Gore, who was heir apparent due to his then current VP status? I can't really think of a successful do over since the overhaul in the delegate systems after '68 took the nomination out of the party barons hands.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:55:08 PM EST
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I've heard that (none / 0)

Sarah Palin from Alaska has some federal ambitions

Also I think one of the female govenors might give it a shot (like the gov of Kansas or AZ)

I also really like the political future of Amy Klobuchar from my home state, she gets 60% approval rating and destroyed her opponent, she is also fairly young (46 I think) so within 12 years she might have a shot.


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by Student Guy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:37:01 AM EST

Re: I've heard that (none / 0)

Palin's had some buzz. As much as I think Janet is doing a great job here, I don't think she has the charisma for the national scene and, as terrible as this sounds, since she's not married, there are whispers that would be used about her sexual orientation (similar to the way that Condi could never run for President).

It's a damn shame, but that's our country, and it sucks, because I think she would do a great job.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:44:53 AM EST
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Palin... (none / 0)

... seems like the kind of person I could really get behind if she were a Democrat.

There's talk of making her McCain's VP, which would terrify me a little for this year's election. She'd appeal to disaffected Hillary voters, help McCain's image as a different sort of Republican, and probably be acceptable to conservatives as well, as she's pro-life.

Her only drawback is she's only been governor for two years. Of course with Obama as our nominee, the experience argument isn't a very strong one.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:52:08 AM EST
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Re: Palin... (none / 0)

She's a little conservative, but I like her more than I like most Republicans. She makes sense, and is the type of person that I could respectfully disagree with, unlike most Republicans.

And I thought it was pretty damn cool that she was pregnant while she was in office. Not really of any importance, but if she can do that and keep up an approval rating in the high 70's in a deep red state, while being somewhat moderate, I have alot of respect for her.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:57:38 AM EST
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Re: Palin... (none / 0)

She seems to have a strong ethics record and pushed through (or allowed) some rights for same-sex couples. She opposes same-sex marriage, but then again, so do most Democrats.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:59:46 AM EST
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Really I didn't know that (none / 0)

I just know that my Aunt and Uncle in Phoenix love her and so do most of their neighbors and they live in a republican part of town.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:53:20 AM EST
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i could see Hillary (none / 0)

in 2012, if Obama's presidency should turn out like Jimmy Carter's, challenging him for the nomination. From this primary, she already has nearly half of the Democratic party as a launching pad. unlike Ted Kennedy, she does not have the stigma of chappaquiddick, so she could have a decent shot of pulling it off. She'll still have the money, Bill Clinton, and much machinery still in places, or people linked to them. Also, such a field is not usually crowded. She's the one person I could see snatching the nomination from an incumbent. I'd put my faith in her to get close or even pull of a general election win in such a political situation that an incumbent loses the nomination. however, if McCain is prez in 2012, she's finished, becuase the field will be crowded, and she could have some rough competition.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:52:30 AM EST

Re: i could see Hillary (none / 0)

I agree.  Also, there is no guarantee that Obama can win the General Election (I highly doubt it IMO), so she can come back as the savior in 2012, if she doesn't win now (which I still think there's a chance for her).

I suspect there will be buyers' remorse with Obama by October.


by stefystef on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:51:23 AM EST
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Re: i could see Hillary (none / 0)

If Obama wins, and even if he ends up like Jimmy Carter...which is VERY likely she won't challenge him in 2012.  It's a non starter, she has a much better shot if he gets crushed in his reelection bid and then runs in 2016.  Most likely outcome at this point is that Obama looses the general against McCain and she runs again in 2012.  Without a doubt she would be in the best position at that point...it may sound petty but "I told you so" is a powerful argument at that point.


by nyarch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:46:06 AM EST
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Re: i could see Hillary (none / 0)

I don't know, because if Obama gets crushed, the Kos crowd and the Washington stooges who now even post on it will blame Hillary for, as some elite put it "clipping Obama's wings," or claiming she is to Obama what Muskie and his "acid amnesty and abortion" was to George McGovern, that she somehow was responsible. With the far fringes taking over the party, Obama losing would be a devastation to the party, because out of their irrational anger, they'd work to purge the party of moderates and the Washington establishment, now their puppets, like even John Kerry, who posts on the Kos, already parrot their words. If Obama is a weak president, our argument is much stronger for Hillary primary challenging Obama, whereas if mcCain is the president, the media and their ilk will say "she's responsible," which will be horseshit, but when the medi says it, it must be true


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:17:25 AM EST
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How about this one? (none / 0)

Olympia Snowe?

I've never heard her mentioned but she would be a hell of a VP choice for McCain.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:52:30 AM EST

Re: How about this one? (none / 0)

Good choice. She's probably too moderate for a party that already distrusts McCain, though. If McCain had strong conservative bona fides, she'd be a tremendous choice.

The more I think about it, the more a thoughtful barrier-breaking VP choice for McCain would be powerful. It has to look sincere and not patronizing, though. I think he can pull it off.

I'm afraid that any attempt by Obama to choose a woman other than Hillary will be viewed as patronizing or pandering.


by OrangeFur on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:58:26 AM EST
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Honestly (none / 0)

that's exactly how putting Hillary on the ticket would look too.

Not that I'm against the idea.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:04:08 AM EST
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I think he could pull it off (none / 0)

With Obama and his coalition being perceived as so far left, McCain and Snowe would look much "righter."

Obama didn't play that well in the old Democratic Northeastern states that lacked very large black percentages (MA, RI, NY, PA, NJ) probably attributed in large part that these states are very heavily Catholic and he did poorly among Catholics throughout most of the campaign.

Snowe's moderate old Yankee Republicanism topped-off with her heavy Northeaster accent might play quite well in these parts.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:49:53 PM EST
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The 8 in 08 (none / 0)

There was a group of women candidates put together by the White House Project called the 8 in 08. They were Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Senator Susan Collins (R-ME), Mayor Shirley Franklin (D-Atlanta), Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), Governor Janet Napolitano (D-AZ), Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (R), Governor Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS), and Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME).

I've always thought Napolitano would be a good veep choice for Obama but everyone looks at me strangely when I say that. Not sure what I'm missing but it makes sense to me. Or he might need a strong military type, well I don't think he needs it but perception wise it might help.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:00:45 AM EST

hghhgh (none / 0)

sad sad sad. under representation at its worst. Honesly I cant even name that many female senators, which isnt a good thing. Woman allow men to dominate politics and public office, the only way to get equal representation is to fight for it. Go out there and win the race and get elected.

No one will give us representation, and wwe have been fighing but not enough women realize the importance of fellow women in office. jeesh... I cant believe ther isn;t equal representation in politics, we are the biggest voting block and yet we still manage to be underrepresented.


--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--
by amde on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:04:23 AM EST

Honestly (none / 0)

so more should run...it's not that women don't win, they do, it's that they don't run at the rate that they vote. Maybe if 51% of the candidates out there were women, they'd be closer to equal representation. In the last 40 years, women have been winning elections all over the country, from Lurleen Wallace in Alabama to Sarah Palin in Alaska. Palin defeated a powerful incumbent man and then defeated a power former Governor, a male. Nancy Boyda and Carol Shea-Porter defeated men despite no one believing they would.

Look at it this way, this year, as long as we remain a united party, we won't have a woman President, but Indiana and North Carolina will elect women governors , New Hampshire will elect a woman Senator.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:01:34 AM EST
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How about this one? (none / 0)

Seen as one of the most powerful women in broadcasting and in the world stage, I can see Oprah Winfrey running for president after she retires from T.V. in a few years.  Afterall, she promoted and raised millions of dollars for Obama this go round.  If he wins the GE, she will have a powerful role somewhere in his administration in the future years, which will groom her to run after Obama has 8 years in office if he is successful.  Oprah can be the first black female president and will be in her early sixties.  I know that she has said in the past that she does not want the job, but after putting Obama in office, she might change her mind after working for him in the Whitehouse.

After this election, I am no fan of hers, but I know she is powerful enought to do it if she sets her mind to.


by mcctx on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:11:34 AM EST

Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

There may not be many Democratic women governors or senators who seem like they're on track to run for president, but a lot can change in eight years, we have a very deep and growing bench of women representatives (their numbers pretty much every election), many of them relatively young with long political futures ahead of them.  Here's a few that strike me as ones to watch in the coming years.

Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20).  41 years old, a rising star in New York politics.  I've heard Schumer may run for governor in 2010, opening a Senate seat, and that might be the opening Gillibrand needs to break onto the national scene (she has been a record-breaking fundraiser and could compete with more established Dems for an open seat).  She's somewhat moderate by New York standards, but that might help her in a national bid.

Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-08).  37 years old.  Another strong fundraiser who will probably have a Senate seat when she wants it (neither McCain nor Kyl are long for their seats).  Also elected in 2006, also somewhat moderate, another rising star in a state that will become fertile ground for Democrats in the coming years.

Kathy Castor (FL-11).  41 years old, and daughter of a well-known Florida politician, she may be one of the contenders to take on unpopular Sen. Martinez in 2010, which would vault her to the national scene in a large, battleground state.

Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD-AL).  37 years old, popular statewide and may be gearing up to challenge freshmen Sen. Thune in 2010, or perhaps biding her time to run for governor.  Exceedingly popular in a very red state, despite being relatively progressive, a presidential candidacy down the road might put some extra states in play.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-20).  41 years old, another young congresswoman rapidly moving up the ranks (she is co-chair of the Red to Blue program).  She may also have an interest in Sen. Martinez's seat, or possibly challenging Gov. Crist in 2 years if he becomes vulnerable.  Being able to put Florida in the bag would be a powerful argument for a presidential run.


by Skaje on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:24:35 AM EST

Rice (none / 0)

Condoleeza Rice may make an attempt at 2016 or even 2012.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:36:50 AM EST

Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

Keep an eye on Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), who's been one of Obama's more effective surrogates this cycle.  She's 54, lives in a state bordering Iowa, and could be a contender in 2016.


by forbes on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:57:04 AM EST

Re: A Dream Deferred: Who will be the first woman (none / 0)

Watching Obama & McCaskill this year, I think it's going to be McCaskill VP in 2008. McCaskill president in 2012 or 2116.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:31:52 AM EST
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You're getting a little ahead of yourself (none / 0)

We haven't had more than 8 years of continuous Democratic presidencies since FDR.  I'm going to need a little more than the Iraq war, GWB's lousy ratings, and the 2006 midterm elections to predict a long era of Democratic presidential dominance.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:41:00 PM EST
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a dream for my daughter (none / 0)

I have a daughter who is turning 2 in July.  I cannot express how pleased I am that my daughter will grow up in a country where she was preceded by Janet Reno, Nancy Pelosi, Condi Rice, Madeline Albright to name a few women who've risen to offices never before available to women.  Some of them, Ms. Rice for example, I have deep disagreement with and even disdain for, but they are proof to my daughter that she can aspire to whatever she wants.   WHATEVER she wants.

What I find really exciting is that right now there are so many democratic women in high public offices.  They are building names, resumes, and experience.  These women are an extremely well qualified bench from which the party can pull candidates over and over again.  That is not something that used to be available.  It cannot be long before we have a female president.  It won't be Hilary.  To be honest, I don't want it to be Hilary as I have certain problems with her that I don't feel need enumerated here.  However, I think that clearly her candidacy has made it a lot easier for the next female who runs.  Because of Hilary, a whole lot of americans accepted the idea that the next president might be a woman.  In american people's heads the idea is no longer theoretical.  The possibility of a Hilary presidency was a reality.

Hopefully supporters of the next female candidate will do a little better at staying on message.  The country is full of wrong headed assholes.   A significant portion of the folks in that asshole category are sexists.  Every time the conversation turns to what a sexist prick someone is, it also turns away from why our candidate is the best choice.  Why is our candidate the one you should vote for?  Answering that question is the only way to win.  Proving that the other candidate's supporters are a bunch of insensitive jerks (while it may be true) is not how to win votes.

Also, not every comment that CAN be perceived (and some times with great effort, let's be honest here) as sexism or misogyny actually IS sexism or misogyny.  I know.  I know, here's the part where I myself get called a sexist, but look... there is no way for us to finally get a female president unless enough males help to make it happen.  Many male democrats are democrats in large part because we are not sexist. We believe in equal pay.  We believe in better health info for women.  We see oppression in the anti-choice side of the debate.  We all have mothers and some (myself included) have daughters.  

It has been difficult to not be put off by the turning on us by some of Hilary's supporters.   You get the feeling that some of her supporters have gone through a dozen keyboards during this contest after wearing out the letters that spell misogyny.  Some of us Obama supporters would have rejected a male DLC member that voted for the AUMF, yet we were hit full force with the blast of sexism charges flying out of this website at a rate of 85 charges of misogyny per millisecond.  "Hey you sexist prick, please reconsider Hilary." is not an effective way to gain support from undecided males.

Another commenter posted about how the media is dominated by male punditry.  I don't think that there is any doubt that this is a true statement.  I think that business ownership, the political climate, and the holding of political office are all dominated by men too.  The good old boys club is alive, well, and exclusive.  I think that the best thing for our country is for that to change.  The thing is, if I walk up to the community basketball court in my neighborhood and there are already people there playing a game, it is flat out horrible strategy for me to look at them and say: "You guys are all stupid and smelly. Can I get in on the game?"

At one point I mentioned that I didn't think that being married to the president counted as experience toward being chief executive.  I didn't say that based on gender.  I won't give a male presidential spouse credit for the experience either if we ever have one.  We never had a chance for anyone to convince me otherwise because I was immediately harangued as a sexist woman hater.  The conversation was hijacked and it never returned to a discussion about whether or not Hilary's time in the White House was legitimate experience as a chief executive.  An opportunity to convince me that her experience should count was lost.  The opportunity was lost because a bunch of Hilary's supporters who thought they were doing her some good (but were in fact hurting her by pushing away a nonsexist) just had to go into the knee jerk flinging around of sexism charges instead of having a reasoned discussion about the original issue.

I cannot wait for my daughter to have a female president to whom she can look up.  I doubt that she (my daughter) will posses the perspective at the time to appreciate it as much as I will, but I doubt that I will have the personal experience to relish it as much as my mom will.  I really think that our bench is just awesome and it cannot be long.  It won't be Hilary.  To be honest I am glad, but not because I am a sexist.

One more thing and then I will, at long last, STFU.  If you want to have an argument about sexism then you should point it out and get very angry every time that you think you see it.  If you want to destroy sexism then you should succeed in spite of it, seize the reigns of power, and then MAKE things change.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:36:22 AM EST

Re: A Dream Deferred (none / 0)

I love Barbara Mikulski, she is smart, tough, and funny.  She is too old, though but I wish there were more like her around.

I hope, though I doubt if it will happen, that Obama chooses a female running mate.  I'm not sure who, though, there are some decent choices in the Senate and the Governorships.  It would do a lot not just for women and the electorate in general, but particularly for us women who supported Obama but have the same dreams of a female president that Hillary's supporters do.


by mady on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:16:16 AM EST


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