More on Obama and Afghanistan

Some new information from The Hill, a newspaper devoted to covering Congress, came out last night on Barack Obama's service on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee with regard to Afghanistan. On its face, it is not flattering to Obama.

First, some context.

The fact that Barack Obama has not called a single policy hearing for the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs since becoming its chair in January 2007 has been percolating for a while, but gained prominence last week when Hillary Clinton brought it up in the debate in Ohio. While the subcommittee has jurisdiction over a wide range of issues, the immediate context was Afghanistan, and the subcommittee's role in overseeing U.S. relations with NATO, which is playing a critical role there. Obama's response was that he's been busy campaigning since becoming chair, but that his position on Afghanistan is clear:

SEN. CLINTON: But I also have heard Senator Obama refer continually to Afghanistan, and he references being on the Foreign Relations Committee. He chairs the Subcommittee on Europe. It has jurisdiction over NATO. NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan. He's held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.

You have to look at the entire situation to try to figure out how we can stabilize Afghanistan and begin to put more in there to try to get some kind of success out of it, and you have to work with the Iraqi government so that they take responsibility for their own future.

MR. RUSSERT: Senator Obama, I want you to respond to not holding oversight for your subcommittee. But also, do you reserve a right as American president to go back into Iraq, once you have withdrawn, with sizable troops in order to quell any kind of insurrection or civil war?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, first of all, I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So it is true that we haven't had oversight hearings on Afghanistan.

I have been very clear in talking to the American people about what I would do with respect to Afghanistan.

This struck me as a surprisingly weak response to an issue that has been out there for more than a month. In Obama's defense, some folks on the blogosphere responded that (1) a junior senator doesn't have much influence anyway, (2) congressional committees and subcommittees are a waste of time, (3) nothing much is happening in Europe, and most convincingly to me, (4) while NATO is under the jurisdiction of Obama's subcommittee, Afghanistan itself is not--it can be addressed either from the Foreign Relations Committee as a whole, or John Kerry's subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs.

New from The Hill

As a follow-up to that, The Hill reported that Obama's attention to Afghanistan outside of his own subcommittee is, shall we say, sparse:

Obama absent at Afghanistan hearings
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 03/01/08 11:17 PM [ET]

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who has come under fire about his readiness to be commander-in-chief, missed two of three Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan since joining the panel.

Obama has said the U.S. should have stayed focused on fighting al Qaeda in Afghanistan while repeatedly criticizing his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), and presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) for their votes in favor of a resolution backing the Iraq war.

But since joining Foreign Relations, Obama has missed three meetings on a "new strategy" in Afghanistan, a country he has never visited.

Obama was absent from a January 31 meeting this year, and also was not present for a hearing on Sept. 21, 2006. He did attend a March 8, 2007 hearing on a new Afghanistan strategy.

On Feb. 15, 2007, Obama also missed a committee hearing on U.S. ambassadors to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama continually touts his initial and prescient opposition to the war in Iraq and the subsequent distraction away from Afghanistan. He has a right to do this as a candidate. But he has shown very little actual legislative interest in Afghanistan, even as he is calling for more American troops to be sent there. Not only has he not used his own subcommittee to educate himself, the Senate, and the public on NATO's role in Afghanistan, he apparently has also not taken advantage of opportunities on the full Foreign Relations Committee as well.

(I should note that all the information I have on this is from the article. If there is good counterbalancing information, please let me know.)

The broader concern.

Somehow we as a voting public have arrived at a mentality that in running for President, it's an advantage to have less experience and less understanding of government than more. Candidates are forever running as outsiders and not having been drawn into the failed ways of Washington. For whatever reason, for what is by far the most important and complicated job in the world, we've decided that the more time you've spent learning about it, the less qualified you are.

But obviously this isn't really productive, and politics isn't just about getting elected. I want to have confidence that my president isn't merely good at giving speeches and getting votes. I want to know that he or she takes the process of governing seriously. It may be fine not to be well-versed in the intricacies of congressional process, but it is not fine to not have a deep understanding of the real issues at stake and a real intellectual hunger for the intricacies of actual policy. And for this reason, I am not yet comfortable with the idea of President Barack Obama. I want to know that he takes governing every bit as seriously as campaigning. And when I find out that he has been almost completely absent on an issue on which he frequently praises himself, it is worrying.

For comparison, as Steve Clemons (who originally discovered that Obama had held no hearings) noted, both the same Senate subcommittee under Republican control and the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe have both been much more active.

In the 109th Congress (2005-2006), the Senate subcommittee was chaired by George Allen, who has never had a reputation for hard work or intellectual stature. And yet I found at least three hearings that Allen chaired:

The Lifting of the EU Arms Embargo on China, March 16, 2005

U.S.-E.U. Regulatory Cooperation on Emerging Technologies, May 11, 2005

Islamist Extremism in Europe, April 5, 2006

Allen even had the excuse that he was running in a high-stakes election himself, one that he would eventually lose to Jim Webb.

The House counterpart to Obama's subcommittee has been very active as well, holding at least nine hearings since January 2007, under chair Robert Wexler (Florida).

11/14/2007 U.S.-Greece Relations and Regional Issues

10/3/2007 America's Role in Addressing Outstanding Holocaust Issues

6/20/2007 Adding Hezbollah to the EU Terrorist List

5/24/2007 Expanding the Visa Waiver Program, Enhancing Transatlantic Relations

5/3/2007 Do the United States and Europe Need a Missile Defense System?

4/17/2007 Extraordinary Rendition in U.S. Counterterrorism Policy: The Impact on Transatlantic Relations

3/28/2007 Opening up of the Bad Arolsen Holocaust Archives in Germany

3/22/2007 Polling Data on European Opinion of American Policies, Values and People

3/15/2007 U.S.-Turkish Relations and the Challenges Ahead

As we can see, there are some highly important issues here, including relations with Turkey (a country much in the news for its involvement with Iraq), missile defense, extraordinary rendition, and others. Obviously, as a House member, Wexler is never really not campaigning.

And for completeness, because everything is always about Hillary Clinton in the end, she has been chair of the Senate Environment and Public Works Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health, whose glamorous charter includes oversight of toxic waste dumps, brownfields, and other exciting topics. She has held three hearings since January 2007:

October 17, 2007 - Oversight Hearing on the Federal Superfund Program's Activities to Protect Public Health

July 25, 2007 - Oversight of the EPA's Environmental Justice Programs   

June 20, 2007 - EPA's Response to 9-11 and Lessons Learned for Future Emergency Preparedness

Obviously Hillary Clinton has also been busy campaigning every bit as much as Obama. But she didn't use that as an excuse to not do her job as chair--in fact, her latest hearing was in October, when the campaign was already in high gear.

Conclusion?

While I strongly support Hillary Clinton, I understand that Obama is the clear frontrunner and the likely nominee of our party. I want to be comfortable with the idea of him as president. And while he's clearly intelligent and hugely charismatic, I want to get a sense that he wants more than the idea of being president. I want to know he wants to do the job of being president, in all of its tremendous workload and its tedious but critical detail. And his record in this matter is distressing, to say the least.



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Am I wrong? Let me know... (2.00 / 3)

I'm also off to post this on the Orange. Wish me luck...


by OrangeFur on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 05:11:04 PM EST

No you're right....he's in love... (2.00 / 1)

with the idea of being POTUS but not the job of being POTUS.

Kind of reminds me of George ("What me worry?") W. Bush.

My heart is sad for this country.  Can you imagine 12 years of this shit?


by Shazone on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:46:58 PM EST
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Facts (none / 0)

Do you anti-Obama people even care that Obama's subcommittee doesn't have jursdiction over the American interests in the Afganistan?  That is covered by Kerry's committee.

In fact AFAICT doesn't meet much (7 times in 9 years before Obama.)

Even Richard Lugar has said that criticizing Obama for not holding hearings on Afghanistan & NATO is unfair. Any hearings on that topic, he has said, are important enough that they'd be held before the full Foreign Relations Committee.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:20:37 PM EST
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Re: Facts (none / 0)

That's acknowledged in my diary. The Hill article is about other hearings on Afghanistan; also, it's not like there aren't other issues of importance under the jurisdiction of Obama's subcommittee.


by OrangeFur on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:37:51 PM EST
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Re: Facts (none / 0)

A lot of important issues, that explains why they meet less than once a year.

Is it true that HRC supporters are being paid to post pro-Hillary blogs?


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:52:38 PM EST
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Re: Facts (none / 0)

If they are being paid, someone should tell me where to sign up. I'm doing it for free.


by OrangeFur on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:57:26 PM EST
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Re: Facts (none / 0)

I feel like I'd be hurting my candidate (BHO) by spreading the address.  But, there is a post in at least one diary (the one I saw) that lists the address.

I don't know if they are really paying.  But the site looks VERY legitimate, and they have a whole process for getting paid.


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:36:38 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (2.00 / 1)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson /obamas-hollow-judgment_b_89441.html

An article by Joe Wilson, which says in part:Would Obama have acted differently had he been in Washington or had he had the benefit of the arguments and the intelligence that the administration was offering to the Congress debating that resolution? During the 2002-2003 timeframe, he was a minor local official uninvolved in the national debate on the war so we can only judge from his own statements prior to the 2008 campaign. Obama repeated these points in a whole host of interviews prior to announcing his candidacy. On July 27, 2004, he told the Chicago Tribune on Iraq: "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." In his book, The Audacity of Hope, published in 2006, he wrote, "...on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." And, in 2006, he clearly said, "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of US intelligence. And for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices."

As a consequence of Obama's dereliction of duty on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a feckless administration has had absolutely no oversight as it careens from disaster to disaster in Afghanistan, including the central governments loss of control over 70 percent of the country and yet another bumper crop of opium to fuel the efforts of the Taliban and their terrorist allies. Of course, if you don't hold hearings, conduct oversight, make recommendations or sponsor legislation, then you have no record to explain or defend and you are free to take whatever position is convenient when attacking those who actually did address issues. Meanwhile, on the campaign trail, Obama holds forth on Afghanistan, chiding the administration and our allies as though he's a profile in courage and not someone who has abandoned his post in establishing accountability.

On Iran and the question of designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, the junior senator from Illinois was not quite so clever at avoiding taking a position. He first co-sponsored the "Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007," which contained explicit language identifying the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organization. He subsequently claimed to oppose the Kyl-Lieberman sense of the Senate resolution proposing the same thing. Obama's accountability problem here is that he didn't show up for the vote on that resolution -- a vote that would have put him on record. Then he declined to sign on to a letter put forward by Senator Clinton making explicit that the resolution could not be used as authority to take military action. All we have is Obama's rhetoric juxtaposed with his co-sponsorship of a piece of legislation that proposed what he says he opposed.


by FarWest on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 05:42:17 PM EST

Oh, wow!!!! (2.00 / 1)

"As a consequence of Obama's dereliction of duty on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a feckless administration has had absolutely no oversight as it careens from disaster to disaster in Afghanistan, including the central governments loss of control over 70 percent of the country and yet another bumper crop of opium to fuel the efforts of the Taliban and their terrorist allies."

But wait, isn't Afghanistan BO's big foreign policy initiative...if he's POTUS.  But in the meantime - tough luck!

BO s*cks. Big time!


by Shazone on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:51:30 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (none / 0)

He is nothing more than a demagogue on this and many other issues.


by plf1953 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:05:08 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (2.00 / 2)

This subcommittee stuff is bogus. Sen. Kerry's committee is the one with direct oversight powers over our Afghanistan operations. Sure, Barack COULD hold hearings, but what point would they serve - another committee is holding those hearings.

I'm still not sure why Clinton supporters have to tear Obama down in order to make a point. I'm comfortable saying that both candidates would be great nominees and great presidents, but one would be better IMO. Why can't you all do the same?


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 05:50:31 PM EST

Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (none / 0)

Well because its not true, one being the same as the other, is it?


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 05:54:46 PM EST
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Okay (1.00 / 1)

If you guys want to practice scorched-earth, win at any cost politics, then by all means continue to do so. I think you'll find the American people are tired of Rovian manipulation, however.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:06:09 PM EST
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Re: Okay (2.00 / 2)

Huh?  Accurately pointing out that he failed to hold a single hearing in his time as subcommittee chair is "Rovian manipulation"?  Give me a break.

Sen. Kerry's committee may have jurisdiction over Afghanistan, but unless it has jurisdiction over NATO, then I really don't think you've addressed the point of this diary.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:25:28 PM EST
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Re: Okay (1.00 / 1)

It has jurisdiction over American interests in Afghanistan, including our cooperation with NATO there. So the specific example of Barack's committee having jurisdiction over NATO in Afghanistan is misleading - it's a secondary jurisdiction.

When you manipulate the facts to suit your argument, I'd call that pretty Rovian. If you don't like it, stop doing it.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:28:56 PM EST
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Re: Okay (2.00 / 1)

I don't like it that you accuse others of being deceptive when you're quite clearly the one obfuscating.  Your usage of the inflammatory term "Rovian" only makes matters worse.

If there were any evidence that Obama had attempted to do his job as subcommittee chair, then your argument that he only refrained from addressing the NATO issue because Kerry had primary jurisdiction might hold water.  But he hasn't held a single hearing on ANY subject.  So please stop insulting our collective intelligence with these fallacious arguments and rhetorical smears.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 07:55:42 PM EST
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Re: Okay (none / 0)

Apparently my comment to you got deleted, so I'll repeat it: Europe is a pretty stable place, filled with American allies, and it's not at all unreasonable for his subcommittee to not have met yet this session.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:05:09 PM EST
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Re: Okay (none / 0)

Well, except for the part where Robert Wexler has held nine hearings, and even George Allen held at least three.

Wexler held hearings on topics such as our relations with Turkey, the effect of extraordinary rendition on our relations with Europe, whether Europe needs missile defense, etc.

Why am I typing all this again? It's all there in the diary.


by OrangeFur on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:40:10 PM EST
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Re: Okay (none / 0)

Not sure why it matters what others have done...I'm saying it's not unreasonable for the committee to not meet for extended periods of time.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:28:34 PM EST
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Re: Okay (none / 0)

Why does it matter? Apparently other people thought there were valuable things for the subcommittee to investigate. It's only after Obama took over that it went into hibernation.


by OrangeFur on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:50:08 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (2.00 / 1)

The Hill addressed this exact point in its article.


by OrangeFur on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:24:19 PM EST
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Re: Stating the truth is tearing down (2.00 / 1)

Yes, Hillary has been the epitome of strong in recent weeks. Complaining about the media, fighting with debate moderators, calling her opponent sexist...these are all examples of a strong fighter! Totally not a desperate campaign throwing everything they've got at the biggest political movement since RFK!


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:40:43 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (2.00 / 1)

You are right about the subcommitte chairmanship being about Europe more so than Afghanistan.

However, NATO is about Europe.

And NATO has played and is playing a major role in Afghanistan as both a complementary and surrogate force to the US involvement there.

This is where Obama's leadership (no, mere attention to his duties) could have made a difference.

Instead he was/is MIA  ... except to take pot shots at Clinton for his "superior judgment" and leadership on virtually all such matters.


by plf1953 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:13:33 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (none / 0)

Say it along with me: "secondary jurisdiction". Are you saying you want Obama to waste taxpayer dollars and hold duplicate hearings just to make you feel better?


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:37:28 PM EST
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"Secondary jurisdiction?" (none / 0)

Obama's subcommittee has jurisdiction over American affairs in Europe, including NATO.

Show me where (i.e., a formal definition of the charter of each subcommittee, not someone surmising this) that subcommittee cedes to Kerry's that oversight and advisory responsibility.

Hell, Obama himself thought that his subcommittee had oversight over Afghanistan ...

BO: "So it is true that we haven't had oversight hearings on Afghanistan."

The guy didn't/doesn't even know what the responsibilities of his own committee are.


by plf1953 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:27:56 PM EST
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Re: "Secondary jurisdiction?" (none / 0)

Dude. His committee DOES have oversight over Afghanistan. It's one of multiple committees that have oversight over Afghanistan. For example, whichever committee funds the DEA ALSO can claim oversight because of the drug war going on there.

Congressional committees are designed to be overlapping in most regards. That's why when some scandal breaks, whoever is being scandalous has 15 subpoenas to answer and not just one.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:37:02 PM EST
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"Secondary jurisdiction?" (none / 0)

Doesn't this last part  - that BO doesn't even seem to know what his own subcommitte does - bother you in the least?


by plf1953 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:31:42 PM EST
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Re: "Secondary jurisdiction?" (none / 0)

No doubt, he screwed up in the debate. Although I'm not sure it would have been worth it to belabor a technicality on jurisdiction in the context of that debate, nor would it be worth it to pontificate about how the Majority Leader typically sets the schedule for committee hearings.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:32:19 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (none / 0)

Absolutely.  Agree with you.  I am frankly worried if the dems go into this fall with a guy who wants to meet with terrorist regimes and dictators who are so supportive of totalitarian governments.

As for this Iraq issue, I really wonder about his stand on this issue.  Americans want out of Iraq that is true, but we do not like to feel bad about the USA.  We want to always be proud of America.  Obama keeps insisting that we made a mistake going into Iraq.  How would that play if we elected someone who says America is a fault?  Would the world want to prosecute us for our "mistake"? We must be pragmatic on this issue.  We can redeploy but we cannot admit wrongdoing or defeat.  It just isn't in the American vocabulary.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 05:51:50 PM EST

Re: More on Obama and Afghanistan (2.00 / 3)

"I'm still not sure why Clinton supporters have to tear Obama down in order to make a point. I'm comfortable saying that both candidates would be great nominees and great presidents, but one would be better IMO. Why can't you all do the same?"

I think it has a great deal to do with Obama's relentlessly attacking Clinton over a vote to authorize the use of the threat of military intervention, blaming Clinton for the Iraq war, to an almost ludicrous degree. To hear him talk she has horrible judgement and is more to blame for the Iraq war than George Bush himself. We do not agree.

Why does he have to divisively and deceitfully attack another progressive Democrat? For his own ruthless personal ambition, that's why. And I will never vote for him because of this failure of ethics and unjust mischaracterization of her. I'm done with Obama, and predict he will fail as a candidate on any measure of ethics and principle, and if he succeeds in garnering enough votes to be elected as president he will fail in that position as well.


by 07rescue on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:03:33 PM EST

In all seriousness (none / 0)

what is unjust about his characterization of her vote? She voted to authorize force. He, while not being in the Senate at the time, opposed that vote.

I'm genuinely interested here. Do you not expect him to draw that contrast between them in a country where the vast majority of people do not support the Iraq war?


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:09:32 PM EST
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Re: If he wants to do it honestly, yes. (2.00 / 1)

Don't try and rewrite history. The AUMF was not essential to continue the inspection process. Inspections were ongoing throughout the fall of '02. Not to mention the fact that Hillary is on the record as not having read the NIE.

Bottom line, she was wrong, he was right. There are other reasons to support Hillary, I'm sure, but on this one, she's wrong. I can admit when my candidate is wrong (NAFTA is a big one), why can't you?


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:24:37 PM EST
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Excuse me? (none / 0)

Who's rewriting history?

There were no inspections "ongoing throughout the fall of '02" prior to the adoption of the AUMF or UN Resolution 1441.

The UN didn't even come to an agreement on Resolution 1441 until November 8, 2002.  Iraq agreed to inspections on November 13 and the inspectors returned on November 27.

The AUMF was agreed informally between Congress and Bush on October 2 and became law on October 16.

Hans Blix stated repeatedly in his book, "Disarming Iraq," that a credible threat of the use of force was necessary if Sadamm was to accept the inspectors back in and permit them be effective.

The build-up of US forces over the summer of 2002 provided the impetus and 1441 an the AUMF provide the big stick that caused Sadamm to allow inspectors back.

Without the AUMF, the UN Resolution would likely have fallen flat.  Indeed, even US UN Ambassador John Negroponte admitted that the use of force  was not an automatic outcome if Iraq breached 1441.

So 1441 was a good start, but it required the AUMF to provide teeth to force Saddam's compliance.  That was the conventional wisdom at the time and a large motivation for Congress to approve the AUMF.

As much as most of us wanted to avoid war, Hillary and the other 78 senators (and 296 Reps) were da*n right in passing the AUMF ... without it the inspections would never have happened and war would have been a certainty.

Bonafide and effective inspections were the ONLY hope left to avoid war with Iraq.

That Bush wasn't interested in avoiding war - thus rendering the inspections futile - only became known much later.

THAT, my friend, is history.


by plf1953 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:46:24 PM EST
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furry thinking (none / 0)

Obama as slacker.  That's a new one.

It sounds like you are calling for Jimmy Carter II (apologies to President Carter).


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:13:40 PM EST

Re: Judging by the evidence he's a slacker (1.00 / 1)

That Senate career of Hillary's? It's all because of her husband.

See how fun this is? Grow up.


by amiches on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 06:42:29 PM EST
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Re: More on Obama (2.00 / 1)

3/2/2008
Misleading Attack: Sen. Obama Flubs in Ohio
Earlier today, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary on Iraq by invoking Sen. Rockefeller and incorrectly saying that the WVA Senator opposed the 2002 Iraq vote. The truth is that Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution - not against it as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. This seems to be an Obama campaign talking point since its top strategist also claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution when he was on national television this morning.

"Sen. Obama is so desperate to divert attention from his limited national security experience that he's not just misleading voters about Sen. Clinton, he's also misleading voters about his own supporters. That is not change you can believe in." -- Clinton spokesperson Phil Singer


by americanincanada on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 07:21:21 PM EST

Re: Obamarama or Vote for Mama? (none / 0)

Excellent column.  Thanks for sharing it.


by plf1953 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:01:55 PM EST


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