The Grand Unification Theory on Obama, NAFTA, and Canada

Disclaimer: I support Hillary Clinton. However, I try to be as objective as possible when understanding the news. No doubt a lot of people will disagree with my conclusions, or my objectivity. I hope we can keep it polite, however. Also, apologies for the length.

There's been a lot of news these last two days about Barack Obama's position on NAFTA, started when CTV, a generally respected Canadian network, reported that a senior Obama campaign official had privately warned the Canadian government via its US ambassador that while Obama would criticize NAFTA, his words shouldn't be taken seriously.

Since then, there's been much back and forth between the Canadian government, the Obama campaign, CTV, a few other news sources, and to a lesser extent, the John McCain campaign and the Clinton campaign. Getting all of this sorted out is difficult, but since this is potentially important, I thought I'd try to assemble and summarize what is known.

The original CTV story came out on Wednesday night, and its main thrust was this:

Within the last month, a top staff member for Obama's campaign telephoned Michael Wilson, Canada's ambassador to the United States, and warned him that Obama would speak out against NAFTA, according to Canadian sources.

The staff member reassured Wilson that the criticisms would only be campaign rhetoric, and should not be taken at face value.

Understandably, this set off a strong reaction. On Thursday, both the Canadian embassy in Washington and the Obama campaign issued denials. The Canadian embassy statement read as follows:

Washington, D.C., February 28, 2008 -- The Canadian Embassy confirms that at no time has any member of a Presidential campaign called the Canadian Ambassador or any official at the Embassy to discuss NAFTA. Last night the Canadian television network, CTV, falsely reported that such calls had been made. That story is untrue. Neither before nor since the Ohio debate has any Presidential campaign called Ambassador Wilson or the Embassy to raise NAFTA.

The Obama campaign denial was not quite as categorical:

"The news reports on Obama's position on NAFTA are inaccurate and in no way represent Senator Obama's consistent position on trade. When Senator Obama says that he will forcefully act to make NAFTA a better deal for American workers, he means it. Both Canada and Mexico should know that, as president, Barack Obama will do what it takes to create and protect American jobs and strengthen the American economy -- that includes amending NAFTA to include labor and environmental standards. We are currently reaching out to the Canadian embassy to correct this inaccuracy."

Given the length of CTV's article, it is not clear what the Obama campaign meant by only calling it "inaccurate". Nonetheless, it is fair to say that  the intended impression is that the story was completely false, and there was no contact between the Obama campaign and the Canadian government about NAFTA, and certainly nothing to suggest that Obama was not sincere in his anti-NAFTA rhetoric.

On Thursday night, however, CTV essentially reiterated its story with some minor tweaks and new revelations. CTV strongly suggested that the senior Obama official was top economic adviser Austan Goolsbee, and that he had communicated with an official at the Canadian consulate in Chicago (not the ambassador, as originally reported). The network also noted that Goolsbee had referred all questions to the campaign, which was refusing to confirm or deny whether any such conversation had taken place:

Despite repeated requests, Barack Obama's campaign is still neither verifying nor denying a CTV report that a senior member of the team made contact with the Canadian government -- via the Chicago consulate general -- regarding comments Obama made about NAFTA.

On Wednesday, CTV reported that a senior member of Obama's campaign called the Canadian government within the last month -- saying that when Senator Obama talks about opting out of the free trade deal, the Canadian government shouldn't worry. The operative said it was just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously.

The Obama campaign told CTV late Thursday night that no message was passed to the Canadian government that suggests that Obama does not mean what he says about opting out of NAFTA if it is not renegotiated.

However, the Obama camp did not respond to repeated questions from CTV on reports that a conversation on this matter was held between Obama's senior economic adviser -- Austan Goolsbee -- and the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago.

It should be noted that by modifying the story to name a consulate official and not an embassy official, the story is now completely consistent with the Canadian embassy statement. CTV also said that one of their sources allowed there might have been some miscommunication.

ABC News added some additional information, reporting via its own source that the consulate official is Georges Rioux, and that the content of this conversation was passed through Ambassador Wilson to Ian Brodie, the chief of staff of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper. ABC's source also said that Wilson may have exaggerated the conversation.

However, a source close to the Canadian prime minister's office tells ABC News that the original communication was between Austan Goolsbee, Obama's senior economic adviser and an economics professor at the University of Chicago, and Georges Rioux, Canada's consul general in Chicago, about Obama's rhetoric against NAFTA.

According to the source, Wilson exaggerated the communication between the Obama campaign and the Canadian official during discussions this week with Ian Brodie, the prime minister's chief of staff, who leaked the story to CTV.

ABC also contacted Goolsbee, Rioux, and the Obama campaign:

ABC News spoke to Goolsbee, Thursday, and who denied calling the Canadian embassy in Washington, or calling Rioux, but wouldn't confirm or deny whether he had spoke to Rioux about Obama's NAFTA rhetoric.

"It's not correct that I contacted them," Goolsbee told ABC News Thursday. "They contacted me at one point to say 'hello' because their office is around the corner but it is not correct that I contacted them at all," he said.

"I am not confirming or denying any meetings with anyone," Goolsbee told ABC News, directing queries to Bill Burton, Obama's campaign spokesperson.

Rioux, who was in Ottawa for meetings this week with the Prime Minister's Office, told ABC News that he too will neither confirm nor deny whether he spoke to Goolsbee.

Both men live in Chicago, where Obama's campaign is headquartered.

The Obama campaign isn't responding to requests for information about the reported conversation between Goolsbee and Rioux.

Note that Goulsbee denies ever calling the Washington embassy or Rioux, but refuses to say whether he met with anyone, and acknowledges that he has talked with the consulate (to say "hello").

On Friday, Goolsbee told the New York Observer something similar:

"It is a totally inaccurate story... I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office."

For his part, Obama spokesperson Bill Burton added this:

This story is not true. There was no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade.

As far as I know, this is the latest information. Please let me know if I missed something.

What can we conclude from this?

The above, I think, is fairly objectively presented. The subjective part is what we conclude from all of this. For my part, these are my tentative beliefs:

(1) It seems quite clear that Goolsbee did have a conversation with someone in the Canadian government, likely Rioux. Their refusal to deny this, coupled with Goolsbee's acknowledgment of contact and artfully phrased non-denial makes it hard to believe otherwise.

If someone can tell me why Goolsbee, Rioux, and the campaign would not simply deny a conversation if none had occurred, please do so. I don't see any way around this.

(2) The Obama campaign's denial on Thursday was perhaps technically true, in that nobody called the embassy, but it was clearly misleading and very likely intentionally so. It left the impression that no relevant contact of any sort had been made, and this appears to be contradicted by the above.

This doesn't mean that the main thrust of the CTV story--that Obama's campaign assured the Canadian government that his rhetoric was not to be taken seriously--is true, but it does mean that the campaign did try to mislead the public.

(3) It is not clear what was said. However, whatever was said was apparently considered important enough to communicate to the ambassador, who then sent it on to Brodie, the chief of staff of the prime minister. That is a remarkably high level of government, and suggests that whatever was said was considered authentic and serious.

We're left with two main possibilities--that Goolsbee said that Obama's rhetoric was not genuine, or that Goolsbee didn't say this.

If we believe ABC's reporting that Brodie was one of CTV's sources, then Brodie thought that Obama was not serious about his anti-NAFTA rhetoric. It is possible that Wilson exaggerated the story, as ABC's source claims.

On the other hand, Burton says that nobody told anyone that Obama was backing away from his "consistent position on trade." This is also open to a lot of interpretation. What exactly is Obama's consistent position on trade? Is vague support of NAFTA with a view towards fixing labor and environmental agreements part of it?

I personally give the benefit of the doubt to CTV on this. From all appearances, their version of the story (despite some tweaks) is much closer to the truth than what the Obama campaign initially claimed. My guess is that Goolsbee did in fact reassure the Canadians that Obama was not as anti-NAFTA as he might appear to be, though it's possible the degree of this was amplified in retelling. It also seems that if Goolsbee had not said this, the campaign response would have been "Yes, Goolsbee did have this conversation, but he didn't say that," instead of this painful dance about who called whom and refusing to confirm or deny this or that. I do understand, however, that other people will reach different conclusions.

One last note: I've seen it argued elsewhere that Goolsbee was a mid-level staffer going off the reservation. It's possible he was speaking without authorization, but he is not a mid-level staffer. He's one of Obama's three top economic advisers (along with Jeff Liebman and David Cutler) and has been widely written up because of his importance to the Obama campaign. For whatever it's worth, he's also a very highly respected economist.



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Re: The Grand Unification Theory on Obama, NAFTA, (2.00 / 1)

Zogby is a charlartan, he has clinton almost tied with obama in his texas poll.

In Texas, Obama leads 45 percent to 43 percent, down from a 6-point advantage on Friday and well within the poll's margin of error of 4 percentage points.

In Ohio, they are dead even at 45 percent. Clinton, a New York senator and former first lady, had led by 2 points on Friday in the rolling poll conducted by Zogby International.

In the Democratic race, Clinton made overnight gains in Texas in some of her strongest voting blocs, including older and women voters. She pulled almost even with Obama among voters who made their decision in the last few days.

"Hillary Clinton may be making a connection with Democratic voters in Texas, especially among those in key demographic groups that have supported her all year," pollster John Zogby said.

Clinton also kept her big lead among Hispanic voters in Texas, who could account for one-third or more of the total turnout. She had huge advantages in the heavily Hispanic southern and western parts of the state.

Other opinion polls show tightening Democratic races in both states, where Clinton enjoyed big leads just a few weeks ago.

I can almost predict what his poll would show on a nightly basis.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080301/pl_n m/usa_politics_poll_dc_5


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by lori on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:48:07 AM EST

Huh? (2.00 / 1)

What exactly does this have to do with the diary?


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:54:25 AM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

er,...

was pointing out some new info to a fellow clinton supporter.

we both have a thing for each other lol


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by lori on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:56:46 AM EST
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Gotcha.  It looked like someone was spamming.  Sorry about that.


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:00:27 AM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

It does seem like spamming I'll give you that.

not my intention though , i have been following the nafta deal to , and i really don't think it will matter much in the scheme of things.


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by lori on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:06:16 AM EST
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Maybe the ad worked with women and older voters if she gained overnight as Zogby said.

I made mention of it earlier , that ad would play well here in Tennessee , it is a realistic ad , knocks some reality into the process.

I speculated it might work as well in Texas among women.

If zogby says she gained overnight among women and older voters , it might be because of the ad.

The ad wasn't scary at all , infact I liked the soft tones of the ad , very nurturing and motherly.

Obama's initial reaction to that ad would make quite a few people uncomfortable .

Hey don't talk about national security , don't scare people etc.

That is really not inspiring , however is he must have realized that , that probably why he hit back with the ad.

In liberal bastions of the east coast that ad would be regarded by some people as fear mongering but not in most places in the south.

it is called a reality check.


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by lori on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:55:08 AM EST
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I think that most of your analysis is at least reasonable, and as an Obama supporter, I thank you for the rather civil tone in which you presented it.  That sense of civility has been missing from both sides (if in fact a single side can have two sides) for quite some time.  

The one thing that I would add to your analysis is that, for the purposes of understanding how much of a story this really is, it is important to know which hat Goolsbee was wearing when he spoke to the consulate.

If he was speaking as a private citizen who happens to be an advisor to Obama, his words would carry much less weight than if he were speaking in his role as Obama's advisor.  The disctinction might seem to be mere casuistry, but I think that it is important angle to consider.  Assuming that Gooslbee did make the statement, he is at the very least least guilty of speaking intemperately.


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:53:03 AM EST

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You do kind of make the point at the end (sorry, I missed it before), but I think that it's possible for even high level staffers to say things that they ought not to (e.g. Bill Shaheen).


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:58:48 AM EST
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I'm guessing that he was representing the Obama campaign, because why else would the Canadian consulate want to talk to him? But he might have been going off by himself.


by OrangeFur on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:02:09 AM EST
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It's a reasonable guess, but I have talked with officials from the Canadian consulate who were at my school to hear lectures delivered by Canadian scholars, so (to me, at least) it's not beyond the realm of the pale to imagine some sort of contact between the Canadian consulate in Chicago and a professor at the University of Chicago.  I think my big point is simply that we don't know.


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:49:48 AM EST
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CTV says the Clinton campaign had a contact with (none / 0)

the Canadian government:


Will loose lips sink anti-NAFTA ships?

In the interests of fairness, it should be noted that CTV is now saying that "the Clinton campaign has [also] made indirect contact with the Canadian government, trying to reassure Ottawa of their support despite Clinton's words."

The Clinton campaign "denied the claim."



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by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:29:31 AM EST

Re: The Grand Unification Theory on Obama, NAFTA, (none / 0)

For the sake of argument (I'm an Obama supporter), let's assume just about all of what you have said is right.  Then we come back to this statement by CTV:

"The staff member reassured Wilson that the criticisms would only be campaign rhetoric, and should not be taken at face value."

Which criticisms?  From the last debate, it is apparent that both Clinton and Obama have nearly identical positions on what should be done with NAFTA going forward, i.e., move for renegotiation by threatening to withdraw if necessary.  I see no room between them there.  They both said it at the debate, and both agreed with each other.  The only disagreement was about how Hillary's past position on NAFTA could or should be characterized.

So what criticism would Goolsbie offer that could change any of that?

So I don't see any there there.

The implication that Goolsbie and/or the Obama campaign have been involved in some kind of subterfuge to disguise the fact that a conversation took place would be more interesting because it implies something dishonest going on.  But we don't even have a suggestion of anything to be dishonest about.  How could Obama's position be any milder than what he and Hillary both stated?  They both said they would like to renegotiate NAFTA.  Neither of them offered any real specifics that would be particularly relevant to Canada, or that would require notifying Canada.

Overall, too much work and theorizing about too little substance.


by Dumbo on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:38:26 AM EST

well, there's also this (none / 0)

From our friends in Ottawa:

A "source close to the Prime Minister's Office" has told ABC News who leaked some misinformation to CTV News this week about conversations between the Canadian government and Barack Obama's campaign. The alleged leaker? None other than Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Now, Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae sees this as pretty serious. He believes that the Harperites are actually trying to sink Obama's campaign.

"This is Republican International in action. The Harper government is so ideological and so tied to the Republicans that they will use any opportunity to throw a wrench into the Obama campaign," Rae says in an email sent out this afternoon.


by Adam B on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 08:34:41 AM EST


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